The info pages further adds that, "The Smith & Wesson Classics series of revolvers have been enhanced with modern internal components, but mimic the look and feel of classic models. Its part of S&Ws Classics line. Finally fulfilled my childhood dream of becoming a cowboy. But if you want to become really proficient shooting this gun,the .38/.357 combo is the way you want to go. S&W made some great revolvers decades ago, but the model 19 while having a great fit would crack forcing cones. Years later, Smith & Wesson started working on the Model 39-2 and released it to the civilian market around the early 1970s. Wood grips look great but the hogue monogrip made this gun become part of your hand. Ruger Lcp . K-Frame. The suggested retail price for the firearm ranges from $599 to $669. I refuse to purchase one of their revolvers with that Clinton lock in the side! obligatory key lock. Bill Jordan was right; the Model 19 points like your finger. Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. The two-piece design supports the inner barrel tube at both ends, and according to some experts, it enhances accuracy. The use of ammunition that is incompatible with the revolver is among the possible causes. Eventually I ponied up the cash for a bull barreled PPC revolver to shoot the 1500 matches, but for a few years that Model 19 was the only arrow in my PPC quiver. |
The K-frame is, IMO, the less desirable frame than the L frame in .357s when hurling the 158s downrange with a stout load of powder behind them. True, and Im not much of a fan of the 1-7/8 rev olver. . But in all fairness, you need to compare that snubby to a 3 or shorter 9 mm. I didnt grind down the cam because if my 686 needs warranty work, I can always put the lock parts back in before sending it to S&W. How the trigger pulls through the entire cycle and that pulls effect on the sights is ultimately what matters, not what a scale says. I also bought my model 19 in 1970, I paid $125 and carried it for seven years as. The only Smith I will own with a lock would be a .22 caliber, because I would never carry it for self-defense. . Not sure why the author keeps referring to the target stocks on both his original M19 and the new Classic M19 as magnas. But you can find commercial loads like those from Atlanta Arms example 9mm 115 HAP match ammo. (Ill take whatever excuses I can get.) On top strap flame cutting: Is there a way to add a reinforcing plate in that area that can act as a replaceable sacrificial surface? Feeding Problem. It also featured a fully shrouded ejection rod, a heavy barrel profile, a Baughman ramped front sight, and a fully micrometer adjustable rear sight. I find them to carry better all day and be more nimble and quicker to get into action from a holster than the larger frame Smiths. The 6.0- and 2.5-inch blued models were discontinued in 1996 and 1998 respectively. It's the high-velocity loads that are most prone to crack the forcing cone, which is the issue with the older M19's. Shooting .38+P and lightly loaded magnums are okay, and enjoyable. So you get some advantage, but not much. Yknow, like Amber Heard. Makes the older mint ones a bargain at $800-$1000. Drop in the parts and send it out the door. It is the right length to provide excellent balance. Yep, I agree with ya. Of course you should adjust for your round accordingly. In the meantime, give the Model 19 Classic a look. Hands-On Review of the Smith & Wesson Equalizer, Savage Arms Introduces Iconic 1911 Government Model Pistols. That said, Berettas are what you show your freinds, Glocks are what you show your enemies! In fact, with the shrouded hammer and slimmed down profile, their 3 revolver is probably superior to a comparable S&W from any era for carry. Replace the spring of the magazine. All Rights Reserved. Its a beautiful gun, much more refined than the Ruger Security-Six I have from the same era. If they lose that damn internal-lock, Ill consider them again, but not until. Caliber: 357 Magnum, .38 Special; Capacity: 6 range time: smith & wesson model 19 classic .357 magnum breadcrumb. The .357 Magnum cartridge is the single most versatile round ever developed in my, and many others, opinion. I started with .38 Special, moved to .38 Special +p, and ended up shooting regular magnum loads. Then again, I dont think we had home economics either, as girls learned to cook from their moms. If dirt gets in there, who knows if the gun will fire. It is a beautiful paperweight, though. If you dont have time to aim, shooting a snubby is just like pointing your fist, but you can feel a long barrel out there, like pointing your finger. PERFORMANCE CENTER Model 19 Carry Comp . K-Frame. Length: 8 Certainly not close to the almost glass break SA of the S&W revolver usually 3.5lb. Ive found that my 3 GP 100 carries much like a 4 semi-auto. The chambers are not counterbored. They often have nice, polished metal with smooth lines that are visually and even tactilely appealing. At the time, .357 Magnum revolvers were built on the N frame. Because of a scandium frame, it's a couple of ounces lighterslightly fewer than 36 ouncesthan the all-steel Model 19. We shot a combination of full magnum loads as well as lighter .38 Special loads during two different range trips. We show you how. Smith & Wesson Model 686 .357 Magnum/.38 S&W Special +P Revolver $ 919 99 919 dollars 99 cents. The old Smith revolvers are definitely cool, and polished internals make them even more so. Back to 1954. 0 bids. Dont NEED no OVER PENETRATING highly OVERRATED .357 Magnum Carried my S&W Model 15 Combat Masterpiece (.38 SPL) for OVER 40 years with NO PROBLEMS engaging targets or otherwise! Aside from that blunder, Id also wager that he did better at home economics than physics in high school. Still, the Ruger gives you more bang for the buck (back then, and now). That heavier, but smooth trigger is the one you want to keep the gun on target. I had a -3 round butt that I couldnt shoot worth a darn. (Unfortunately, I didnt have any speed loaders.) I felt well armed with either. The frame is real important. What exactly is you expectations for a mass produced 100% stock revolver or any handgun for that matte!?! I own one of the new Colt 3 inch fixed sight revolvers it is a stainless steel copy of the old 3 in California Colt Python revolver and the last one I saw on one of my firearms auction catalogs went for $14,000.00 I paid a great deal less for my new Colt 3 inch fixed sight revolver and I was as happy as a little boy on Christmas morning. It does everything I required of it when I bought it but I didnt include pleasure to hold and own in the requirements. Unlike most of my reviews, I had to leave the gun idle for a couple of weeks between sessions, so I did a basic field cleaning at round 150 and a full detail strip and clean once I finished. The 19 is a great serious-looking revolver. As American forces fought in the Philippines, US troops made an unfortunate discovery about the performance of their standard-issue revolvers chambered in .38 Long Colt. . They had over a 90% one shot stop record. Change the ammo. The new Model 19 is also offered in a stainless steel version outside the Classic line. Also, I have only seen a model 19 with those squared front sights one other time. The noise will come from the cylinder. I did clean it, but it happed after 50 rounds of some very dirty Ammo. But my first wheel gun many years ago was actually calling to me from the gun case at my buddys shop. They are obviously target stocks on both guns. Smith has outfitted the Model 19 Classic with a trigger that is just about ideal for double-action shooting. Like the K-38 you got now.. The .357 cartridge was created by Winchester for S&W in the 1930's and used in the "N" frame S&W. That gun had much better balance and was far superior to the GPs. Fortunately, in 2018, Smith & Wesson reintroduced the Model 19 in their Classic line. What I do know is that its difficult to find 9mm +P in any sporting goods store or gun store, period. Fire shots more accurately with a Smith & Wesson revolver. Price Used: $800-$900 as reviewed, available online. The only change was to substitute grips that better fit my small hand. Failure to feed, Failure to eject, Stove Piping. Thanks. And as youve said before, the .357 has a bit more powder capacity than the 10mm. I was in awe. Craigh. Still have my Model 19 6 bought new in 1977, purchased to accompany my .30-06 on hunting trips The one modification made to it was rounding the grip to allow for a more comfortable grip. Im a retired engineer and 35 years ago I worked with a materials engineer on the development of steel MIM parts for aerospace and defense applications. This is essentially a re-creation of the Model 48 K-22 MRF with a four or six inch barrel (sans under-lug). Its an attractive gun, still sporting the original checkered walnut grips with round S&W medallion, and a 6 barrel (introduced in 1963). Something that pretty doesnt even have to work. It averaged 2.69 inches for five, five-shot groups. Behind-the-Scenes at SIGs Electro-Optics Factory, Previous post: The What & the Why: Cowitnessing Sights. I even tried different magazines. My ugly Glocks sit at my bedside. I will also say this: Kimbers revolvers are EXTREMELY close to S&W K-frames when it comes to double action trigger pull out of the box. Buy and Sell on GunsAmerica! Specifications: Smith and Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum, Barrel Length: 6 (others available) As support to these claims do a quick search on Google DR 158 LRN revolver site:www.bullseyeforum.net , But if you want the best ammo try Atlanta Arms .38 SPL 158gr LRN load or 110 or 125 gr jhp match ammo this will shoot sub 1.5 @ 25yd in any in spec 4+ barreled S&W revolver. I HAVE A NICE COLLECTION OF GUNS WITH SOME EXAMPLES OF MODELS I USED IN MY CAREER. Out of 50 shots pistol failed about 15 times. Let the new gun owners have their space in time. Smith & Wesson discontinued the production of the Model 19 in 1999 and the Model 66 in 2005. I really enjoyed this review and appreciate such a classic. I dont shoot well enough to notice the difference. Smith & Wesson Model 19 Classic 4.25" DA/SA K/L-Frame Revolver Chambered in 357 Magnum . Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. The only place Ive been able to get any is through buying 10-20 boxes online, and even then its difficult to know what one is getting or how effective it is. Their twelve-pound trigger weight is all the safety it needs. The Model 19 has something of a checkered past for reliability, one thats likely due more to rumor than actual experience. Lighter and tougher and more precise than ever, it's the perfect back country hunting rifle. Compare. I regret firing the 6, but I will no fire the 4. The Classic also looks bigger in overall size so why would it be more delicate?, if so, it is a waste of money. The new Model 19 Classic utilizes Smith & Wesson's keyed locking system. I just recently bought a 4 stainless Ruger Security Six in great condition for $325. Ruger Lcp . The cylinder yoke locks to the frame via a spring-loaded ball-detent system, and the solid, full-length ejector rod is unsupported. Former gun slinger, current gun writer. After a couple years of qualifying with the .357s the M-66s started to shake loose. The first Model 19 came off the production line in November of 1955, 65 years ago. That said, Ill NEVER relieve myself of any of my 19s. The Author of the article conveniently forgot to mention that despite the M19 having a double heat treatment it would shoot loose after only about 2,000 full power .357 magnum loads. As I get older, their looks grow on me with each passing year. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. A Worthy Successor. All three guns are rated for .38 Special +P ammunition and hold six shots. This brings the DA pull down to 9 pounds, and the trigger pull becomes much smoother. Im looking at a revolver after I make some more optics purchases. The red ramp Baughman-style front sight is pinned into the barrel shroud. The new Model 19 Classics rear sight is fully adjustable, and it has a plain black blade. Because the .38 bullet spends something like twice the time in the barrel as the .357 bullet, the barrel rises more under recoil before the .38 bullet leaves the barrel than it does with .357 loads. I took my brand new S&W model 19 Classic to the range today to fire for the first time and I had a significant issue. While not nearly as pretty as the Model 19, the Ruger is not likely to wear out from a steady diet of .357s. My dad was a right handed shooter, and routinely carried his duty revolver on his left side, with the butt of the gun facing forward, so he could easily Cross Draw for just that reason. Ruger LCP For Sale . You are here. I may want to re-think this logic during Archery season though. The front sight is a pinned ramp with a retro red ramp insert. It is a widespread issue with this revolver. The Smith & Wesson R8 is everything the iconic Model 19 was and even more. 5 more deals from grabagun.com . The Classic 19 is a great addition to the Smith & Wesson line. It features a 4 barrel, with checkered stocks that are very similar to the original Magna stocks. 1. I never said the gun was slow, I said I was slow with it. $1249.00 . It is narrower with beveled edges and a polished smooth trigger face, and. After logging in you can close it and return to this page. When I was younger, I couldnt understand the appeal of a wheelgun, when semi pistols could be had. I always saw those as more for city kids that grew up without guns at home, or who didnt carry and hunt with them almost all year round, like we did. The reduction in metalexactsa price in the thickness and strength of the frames top strap. The revolvers cylinder is fluted and holds six rounds of .357 Magnum or .38 Special ammunition. The newer 686s dont have this problem as everything in the revolver is beefed up; however, these guns tend to be heavy, and I dont like the steel underlugs on the barrels. I started my 43 year Law Enforcement Career with a stainless model-19 4 barrel. The L frame 586s make great guns for duty and walking around the woods and I use my 4 586 for just that. Introduced in the late 1950s, the Model 19 was the result of a collaborative effort between famed Border Patrol agent, gunfighter and author Bill Jordan and Smith & Wesson. its my understanding the weakness issue at the front of the top strap was solved with the 19-4. Id take the 6-inch in stainless steel, though Ive always wanted a 4-inch too. My best time with this 6 revolver, from the draw, into an 8 circle at 15 yards for all 6 .357magnum rounds was 4.17 seconds. Contrast all that with a semi-auto pistol. He was about to appear on a television show called You Asked for It, during which he would perform a fast-drawing act he was famous for. In single action, the trigger supposedly breaks at 4lbs. Sweet gun and cool review. And as far as the forcing cones are concerned, Ive never found out why S&W forcing cones on K-frames erode so much with magnum loads, and yet the cones of similar size in Ruger Security-Sixes dont. Mine is a 19-4 from 1980, blued, with a 4 inch barrel. Le/Mil Only. Its my hypothesis that these Smiths (not that the Colts were probably much stronger) are the reason the common factory loads were neutered in the first place. The SCSW [Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson] oversimplifies several of the K serial ranges. I do miss that gun. Build Learn more MSRP: $ 1289.00 SKU: 12039 357 Magnum Caliber 6 Rounds Capacity K-Frame Frame Size Weight: 34.2 oz. Conclusion: Model 19 Review. I've owned five Smith revolvers bought used; zero bought new. These are ammo for my wifes snub battery. Every group from all variety of ammo loads are smaller than 2 @25 yards and you were disappointed? Firearm Specifications SKU: 12040 Model: Model 19 Classic Caliber: 357 Magnum 38 S&W SPECIAL P Capacity: 6 And I have a pair of older Model 19s that are great. Get the top Shooting Times stories delivered right to your inbox. In fast fire I had to learn to feel for it, but it certainly lets you know right before the hammer falls. Be patient and look for a nice example of both, and hang onto them. As far as accuracy, the Model 19 shot well. Kudos to the gunsmiths making the sweet old guns even sweeter. I will not buy a firearm with this useless and dangerous defect. The Smith & Wesson Classics series of revolvers have been enhanced with modern internal components, but mimic the look and feel of classic models. Customization * * Soon the pinned barrel and recessed cylinder were dropped while a number of improvements increased the service life. If I have to wear nice shoes, the gatsby does too. The Model 19/66 also was one of the finest guns ever made. As related by Jordan in an article he wrote for a special publication put out by Shooting Times in 1995, he had a memorable conversation with Hellstrom during the National Matches held at Camp Perry. The current Smith & Wesson info page lists the Model 19 as having a barrel length of 4.25 inches, an overall length of 9.875 inches, and a weight of 37.2 ounces. Due to its rust-resistant qualities, the Model 66 was even used by SEAL Team 6. The new pistol featured an improved K frame that was stronger and had a three-screw side plate. (Pistols which have hammers sometimes feel a little better.) I retired as aFederal Det/Lt carrying a Sig P228. But when you despise the Hillary Hole that makes it a lot easier to consider a Kimber instead. The revolver simply falls into the hand naturally andI imagine it would be even more so in a four-inch model. Of course they often come with outstanding grips that feel really nice. View attachment 544301 View attachment 544302 And pistol grips can often be considerably less than comfortable. No longer have it, traded it in to buy a Model 29 in 1990. If you ever get into Grizzly territory youll want the .45. And it certainly outclasses any of the common modern service pistols in fit and finish. Capacity: 6 rounds Police Armorers recommended the gun only be shot with .38 special loads. Estimated New and Used Values for a Smith & Wesson Model 19 Values are based on a basic model with no options or colors. It was also more enjoyable for the shooter and much kinder on the pistol. It joins other medium frame revolvers on the market, such as the Kimber K6, and the Colt King Cobra. To me, it's a case of "you don't get a stupid lock, it's made in a period of better quality control and manufacturing, and it's less money." 3 bids. But it was nowhere near as classy as this thing looks. 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